gives it away for free. >> both of your moms are -- >> do you think your kids turned out like you? >> i'm crying. >> that's the other question. when do we get -- we asked this last week, when do we stop mothering and become our mother's friend and vice versa? >> i think around 30. first of all, when i turned 30, i didn't have kids yet, but when i turned 30, i actually called to apologize and said, you've been so patient, thank you so much. and our dynamic changed. but after having my daughter, i realized, i always knew my mother was a great mother, but after that, i was like, wow, you did so much. >> when i became a mother, i knew how hard it was. >> you haven't had children yet. how is it for you? >> we have always been really close. i hope i take the good things from her. she has so few bad things. >> there we are with our moms. >> doris, you did good, by the way, with harriette.